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Atash Hagmahani

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GET READY FOR "STRUCTURAL" UNEMPLOYMENT
« on: November 24, 2008, 02:57:31 AM »
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1861115,00.html

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"This doesn't seem like a simple cyclical shift in unemployment," says Thomas Lam, an economist who tracks the U.S. economy at the Singapore-based United Overseas Bank. "What we are seeing is a structural problem in the U.S. economy, and that means it will take a lot longer for the unemployed to find jobs." (President-Elect Obama announces his plan to create 2 million jobs by early 2011)

Unlike other economists, Lam looks beyond the total jobless number to something called employment flow, which tracks the numbers of people moving from the ranks of those receiving a regular paycheck to those who aren't and visa versa. What Lam has found is disturbing. Currently, people out of work have just a 22% chance of landing a new job within the next month. That already makes this a worse market for job seekers than at any time during the downturns of the early 2000s or 1990s, which is as far as Lam's data goes back. And remember, we haven't got to 8% yet.

The underlying problem is something called misallocation of human capital. It's a fancy term for the idea that in the past few decades the U.S. may have been producing too many MBAs and not enough RNs. Economists used to talk about it as one of those long-term risks that most people shouldn't worry too much about. Now the problem, like the dangers of sub-prime lending, obscure financial instruments and so many of those other things we didn't worry about, seems to actually be a problem.

The financial sector is shrinking. Technical assistance jobs shipped overseas aren't coming back. And an aging population requires different services. Not all of these things are new, but it seems we have hit some kind of breaking point for the US job market.

Does everybody understand this? The problem is not just a downturn in business, but that whole sectors of employment are shrinking, some of them permanently.

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it may easier for a higher educated population — college graduates now make up nearly 30% of the workforce, up from 22% in 1992 — to make job transitions.

No, it won't. On the contrary, too many college-educateds have too vague of job skills to be competitive.

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But it will take time, and could be particularly painful for, say, investment bankers who have become used to fat salaries.

In general, high-paying jobs will be hard to find. Instead, look for jobs that are not so high-paying, and are easier to break into. Instead of trying to make a decent living through higher pay, figure out how to live decently on lower-pay, by having good habits that are more efficient of what you do make.

Obviously, for example, buy NOTHING on credit, except maybe a house. Don't PAY interest, COLLECT it.

That was about the only thing I did right when I was young. We lived in a "rough" part of town, had old hand-me-down furniture, and paid cash for all our cars. We paid our house off early. By not paying interest, and living reasonably frugally, we had a savings rate around 20% or so.

We foolishly thought well of ourselves, because, hey, our savings rate was higher than in Japan! In retrospect, it could have been higher.

Some other things to do, are to be a little shrewder with spending and with investment. I can help you with both issues, lessons learned from experience.

If you can learn to live on LESS money, you have a better chance at competing for such money-making opportunities as will still exist.
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Re: GET READY FOR "STRUCTURAL" UNEMPLOYMENT
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 09:34:49 AM »
Savings gives the saver options.

Debt deprives the debtor of options.


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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 12:28:46 PM »
Mike, the hard part to swallow, is that we lived frugally, for the most part, most of our lives. Now we're REALLY living frugally.

A lot of our friends and relatives lived well one step ahead of the wolf at the door. Often in debt. It's true that they sacrificed choice and opportunity, but they got to enjoy themselves.

Now, what do we have to show for ourselves?

  • Cash, whose value is inflating away.
  • Real estate, whose value is eroding and on which we are paying increasingly high property tax.
  • Certain tangibles, that are non-fungible, so we can't trade them for anything else, without selling them for funny money and paying huge capital gains on inflation--another type of "inflation tax".
  • If we die here, our heirs will lose probably well over half of everything we own.

Have we not been punished for our life-choices? Was that not intentional for resisting the credit-cartel?
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 12:44:15 PM »

Have we not been punished for our life-choices? Was that not intentional for resisting the credit-cartel?

I think we can assume that it will be expected that those who have saved and invested will be required to bail out those who lived beyond their means.

And do not expect any gratitude.  Rather, basic human pyschology is that you will be resented and subject to suspicion even as you feed and clothe the improvident.

That is my reading of human pyschology,  does it ring true to you?

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 01:12:39 PM »
Sadly, yes.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 08:00:18 PM »
I have personal policies about a number of things including who I will and will not have a transaction with, as much as is possible.  I do not ever sell garden produce or an animal.  I may give them away, not likely, but I generally insist that people contribute directly to the production of what they would like to have. 

Help clean the chicken house for the season if they want eggs or for me to raise a few chickens for them, and then show up to help kill, butcher, clean and put down in whatever manner they choose.  They are welcome to use my main kitchen for the purpose as I have a kitchenette of the dinning room that I use to prepare most meals durring the summer months.

The same applies to garden crops.  If they want produce I agree for nothing other than some form of mutually agreeable assistance with the direct production of what they want.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 08:50:09 PM »
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No, it won't. On the contrary, too many college-educateds have too vague of job skills to be competitive.

I can see this.  I did get my MBA, used it for a year, got pregnant and got out.   :gen002:  My mom wanted to know why I didn't go on for a doctorate in business.  My response was "you want me to be out of work?".  No one is going to hire a PhD in business.

But, in my work life (which I started at age 10 with my dad's company) I've done many things that may still be marketable skills, although much lower paying.  Let's see: fast food, hardware, assembly, filing, typing, restaurant prep, bookkeeper, tax accountant, waitressing, substitute teaching, cleaning offices, banquet waitress and child care among others

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 12:19:51 AM »
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I've done many things that may still be marketable skills, although much lower paying.

Flexibility and willingness to be flexible might help.

BTW, part-time and "on call" jobs are good, because if you can squeeze in more than one, the probability of losing all incomes is reduced.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 12:34:51 AM »
Watcher said:
>> And do not expect any gratitude.  Rather, basic human pyschology is that you will be resented and subject to suspicion even as you feed and clothe the improvident.
That is my reading of human pyschology,  does it ring true to you?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 07:33:57 PM »
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I can see this.  I did get my MBA, used it for a year, got pregnant and got out.   gen002  My mom wanted to know why I didn't go on for a doctorate in business.  My response was "you want me to be out of work?".  No one is going to hire a PhD in business.

I was turned down for a lot of jobs because they said I was overqualified.  You always hear that PhDs are flipping burgers in McDonalds, but that isn't the case.  They don't want to train you just so you will jump at the next best offer and leave.  They always say "we can't pay you enough to match your education level."  My husband got the same story over and over too.

The job I ended up keeping for the last 4 years that I worked (before I became a homemaker), they said they were sorry they couldn't pay me as much as I should get, but they would hire me anyway.  I really liked it there, and stayed there even though I could have made more money if I jumped around from job to job.  The work was perfectly suited to my nature, and I loved my co-workers.  And they were so happy to have someone who could do a lot more than the job description.  But it was really just luck that I ended up finding the perfect fit.  Most people who are "overqualified" won't find a place like that.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2008, 10:45:20 PM »
The "overqualification" trap was one among several as the better-paying jobs either got "offshored" or "onshored" (ie, no-hire policies for US nationals; immigrants only).
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