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RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« on: August 30, 2010, 09:52:10 PM »
Read this carefully:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Food-price-inflation-lowest-rb-3475577603.html;_ylt=AmXpI4wS_0m5OQRceH9US3y7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1ODhpZzBrBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNmb29kcHJpY2VzbG8-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

The link that I found this on said "food prices lowest since 1992", WHICH IS NOT TRUE! They are rising constantly. One of the phenomena I see is that prices are creeping up, while the PORTIONS ARE SHRINKING.

A "half gallon" of ice cream is now between 1.25 and 1.75 quarts. I see increasingly deceptive packaging, like a rim on the bottom of the ice-cream container that takes space but contains no ice cream. It hits you when you pick it up and feel how light it is. Increasing levels of aeration are cutting the net weight even more.

This article is somewhat false. US government statistics make use of both "hedonics" (claiming that the quality has gone up commensurately with the price) and "substitution" (claiming that if steak is too expensive, hamburger is just as good, so swapping the cheaper item for the more expensive and claiming they are the same).

Even insofar as it is true, it admits that wholesale food prices are rising faster than retail prices--which means in theory that the processors are "eating" the difference. Hence the fluffy shrinking ice cream.
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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 11:00:22 PM »
Another outcome of the crisis transition to self financing thoughout the food production, processing and distribution system.

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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 11:57:59 PM »
How long can the processors continue to absorb the losses? Should we expect to see some kind of rubber band effect where retail prices spike suddenly and dramatically?
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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 09:27:42 PM »
The article is a piece of idiocy and obviously written by someone who either does not do their own shopping or is blissfully unaware of what they're paying.  The loaf of bread I typically buy increased 12% since last Thursday.

If there is price increases in the manufacturing pipeline, processors are going to have to pass them on at some point.  Figure it will be sooner rather than later.

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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 09:34:06 PM »
At the risk of harping, I think it is more likely that you will see empty shelves at the grocery store, empty warehouses at the wholesalers, empty warehouses at the food processors, and empty bins at the farms.  

Right now, all of us could invest all of our savings, retirement funds and every cent we could barrow into commodities market and it would not generate the actual physical work required to produce the requisite amount of food people are going to need to eat.  Food is a long term investment, and markets have become short-term crap games.  And the money invested in the commodity markets is not available for the actual production, storage,  processing and distribution of actual food.  Most of the actual dollars invested in food go to marketing (duh), research, and genetics.  That hardly takes care of the soil, the seed stocks, the seeding, the haresting and so on down the line until it lands on your tabble.

Financing for actual food getting to your table, has in the past number of years dried up.  Banks do not do it.  And the multinationals want to provide marketing (buy what is produced) and buy the land, and lease it back to the producer who is still stuck with the equipment, imput, labour and storage costs (out of proceeds for the land).

I doubt there will be serious inflation in food prices, the system is far fractionalized and the profit takers are shaving all the way down the line.  What is more likely is that primarily urban consummers will see increasing prices but at cronically marginal rates until there isn't any.

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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 09:35:57 PM »
12% is marginal given the crop prospects for this fall.

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Re: RETAIL food prices not rising as fast as wholesale. Beware.
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 09:30:19 AM »


This spiel is pure genius.  Never mind the possible double meaning of the quote

Food is a long term investment, and markets have become short-term crap games. 
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