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Atash Hagmahani

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Graduates face horrific odds
« on: August 30, 2010, 09:43:57 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/06/graduates-face-tougher-jobs-fight

UK newspaper but probably generally true throughout the "western" countries.

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Graduates are facing the most intense scramble in a decade to get a job this summer, as a poll of employers reveals the number of applications for each vacancy has surged to nearly 70 while the number of available positions is predicted to fall by nearly 7%.

The class of 2010 have been told to consider flipping burgers or stacking shelves when they leave university as leading firms in investment banking, law and IT are due to cut graduate jobs this year.

THEY CAN'T! Most employers won't hire college graduates for menial jobs. Won't even consider them. Costco employees seem to have fairly normal intelligence, but it is the only big company I can think of. Krispy Kreme won't; it hires exclusively through agencies such as Casa Latina and El Centro de la Raza. Wal*Mart seems to hire through welfare placement agencies.

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The Association of Graduate Recruiters polled over 200 firms including Cadbury, Marks & Spencer, JP Morgan and Vodafone and found the number of applications per vacancy had risen to 68.8 this year, the highest figure recorded. In the most hotly contested sector – makers of fast-moving consumer goods such as food, confectionery and cosmetics – there were 205 applications for each job.

Carl Gilleard, the association's chief executive, said graduates needed to be more flexible in their career choices. "They need both short-term and long-term career goals because you're graduating in a very tough climate. It doesn't mean you should be put off applying for the profession of your choice.

In other words, they won't be able to find experience in their chosen career paths. They'll have wasted most of their training, and they may never get their foot in the door.

A college degree has never been more worthless than it is now. Better to have a specific skill, like reading X-rays or fixing HVAC system.

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Gilleard warned that employers were raising the bar on degrees, and graduates with a 2.2 or worse faced being filtered out by automated applications. "There are dangers in that. You can miss out on some very good candidates."

Here in the states, the "bar" is experience, and most firms seem to be asking for TEN YEARS!

Here is part of the problem:

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As applications for university places continue to soar, the government has urged universities to publish statements revealing the help they offer to get their students ready for work.

Back in the 1950s, a college degree set you apart. Now so many young people get degrees, it DOESN'T set you apart. Instead, you have too much competition for white collar jobs.

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Responding to the survey, the minister for universities, David Willetts, said: "The job market remains challenging for new graduates, as it does for others.

"But a degree is still a good investment in the long term, and graduates have a key role to play in helping Britain out of the recession. We are committed to making it easier for current graduates to find work. That is why I have just asked all universities to provide statements on employability for their students."

THEN HE HAS FAILED.
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Re: Graduates face horrific odds
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 07:54:16 PM »
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Responding to the survey, the minister for universities, David Willetts, said: "The job market remains challenging for new graduates, as it does for others.

"But a degree is still a good investment in the long term, and graduates have a key role to play in helping Britain out of the recession. We are committed to making it easier for current graduates to find work. That is why I have just asked all universities to provide statements on employability for their students."

I love these institutionally issued decrees. Being "committed" really bespeaks action, doesn't it. And that "action" consists of sending a memo to his underlings requiring them to write a letter on behalf of the graduating students. As if the one with the most letters wins or something. And as I think about it, these universities really have no clue about whether any given graduate of theirs is "employable" simply by virtue of having passed through their curriculum. And employers know that.

I feel especially bad for the new grads who racked up large amounts of student loan debt and can't find employment. If we are going to bail anyone out, maybe it should be them first.


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Re: Graduates face horrific odds
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 08:43:13 PM »
That's right, Stump Rancher, but you have the benefit of many years of experience in life, not to mention specialized training that helps you cut through the baloney. Now what about these naive kids who are easily swayed by announcements by politicians and bureaucrats who are telling them what they're "doing" to "help" them? They might take the whole process seriously. Which is why they went along with it in the first place, and racked up all that debt.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 09:00:29 PM »
We raise our children to believe they will be protected by parents, teachers, civil leaders etc. and they are not making a good trasition to the skepticism and disernment that is required when they leave public school.  Evaluation skills and knowing who's council they can trust have become huge requirements mearly to suvive.

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Re: Graduates face horrific odds
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 10:15:47 PM »
The class of 2010 have been told to consider flipping burgers or stacking shelves when they leave university as leading firms in investment banking, law and IT are due to cut graduate jobs this year.[/quote]

A college degree has never been more worthless than it is now. Better to have a specific skill, like reading X-rays or fixing HVAC system.

Their is a bright spot here. My 22 year old Daughter will be graduating from Vet Tech college Sept 10th 2010. She has worked hard and pulled straight A's all the way through her 4 years of college. She has secured a  full time job at the clinic she works at. As you said Atash it is better to have a specific skill. You can imagine how proud I am of her being 26% of the ameircan public is unemployed. SHE BEAT THE ODDS :happy005:
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Re: Graduates face horrific odds
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 10:56:25 PM »
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She has secured a  full time job at the clinic she works at.

Hallelujah! It sounds like she was already working before she graduated, which I bet helped the situation a lot. Wonderful news.  :hug007:

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they are not making a good trasition to the skepticism and disernment that is required when they leave public school.  Evaluation skills and knowing who's council they can trust have become huge requirements mearly to suvive.

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Re: Graduates face horrific odds
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 05:48:21 AM »
at my place of employment we had record numbers of applications from summer students.  SO much so they decision was made to cut the usual work period in half and offer twice the number of positions.  bodes well for the industry in that we are seeing such a shortage of technical skills worldwide.  doesn't bode well for the students when it comes to their employable future.  with that said, it is important not to frame education as a ticket to employment, although that is the popular myth.  lack of employment should spur entrepreurship.  in fact, i am putting monies aside for my child's future that is just as likely to go toward university as it is toward a business start up....
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