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hancocs

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Living without money
« on: August 28, 2010, 07:29:11 PM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/05/18/eco.free.economy/index.html

This would not be a bad way to live and in the coming days we may have to. Not a bad lifestyle at all, good for him.

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Re: Living without money
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 08:31:06 PM »
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Mark's remarkable journey is relayed in his new book, "The Moneyless Man"

I'm not buying the book. He isn't moneyless. He's only living on things that were paid for with other people's money before they gave it to him. So he got a free caravan (yurt/tent of some kind) from freecycle.org. So what? Somebody else had to pay for that caravan to be manufactured in the first place. Something I've noticed in the media, especially the "alternative media", is the glorification of poverty, as though avoiding wealth puts you on a higher moral plain or something. I really do think that this whole philosophy is a psy-op by TPTB to get the population to accept poverty as a way of life.


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Then a friend made him a cheap wood-burning stove from an old gas can to heat the caravan, and with a few other budget purchases, including solar panels and a trailer for his bike, he was ready to go.


This isn't living without money. This is sponging off the altruism of others. There is nothing wrong with altruism, but don't call it free. Altruism isn't free. Altruism is other people investing their own capital, be it in the form of labor or materials, and then donating it. And where did those old gas cans come from? No doubt they were scavanged from upstream sources that had previously made them for profit. If the profit motive had not been present, those gas cans would not have eventually found their way into the hands of Mr. Moneyless.

This looks like either ignorance or false humility trying to masquerade as righteousness.

Not busting on you for this Hancocs, I just don't buy into the enlightened post-industrial hippie image. I think the most damaging thing about this lifestyle is that it forces the practitioner to be dependent on society for everything they have. To me that looks like a 30 year old child who wants to live on the allowance money that society (surrogate mom & dad) gives him. If you really want to be moneyless, then learn how to live off the land. Hunt, fish, trap, forage for food. Invest only your own labor to build everything you use from the raw materials that exist in nature. Don't look to the internet for your shelter, instead, make your own shelter.
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Re: Living without money
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 09:20:45 PM »
Opsec,

You have made some excellent points. Good imput and insight. I did not see it that way, but that's just me. But I do agree with you on not buying the book.  :eatdrink004:

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Re: Living without money
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 01:04:53 AM »
What's the difference between The Moneyless Man and Henry David Thoreau?

I believe Walden Pond was owned by Ralph Waldo Emerson, who let Thoreau build his cabin there, for free. 

As I remember, the wood for Thoreau's cabin was from a dismantled shed, but not free.  He paid for it.

What The Moneyless Man & Thoreau have in common is living low on the consumption pole.

Are these models of living low on the consumption pole worthy of emulation?  Probably not, if it is only about 'getting for free' without any kind of contribution to society.

However, there is probably some value to society, as an example, when some individuals exercise their right to shrug and opt out.