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If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« on: August 26, 2010, 08:34:05 PM »
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/08/young_female_murder_suspect_ca.html

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The 14-year-old girl charged with fatally shooting a man during a robbery attempt earlier this month fired her gun when one of the victims laughed at her because she was so young, according to police charging documents filed this morning.

Prosecutors, in seeking the young suspect be held without bail, described Arteesha Holt (left) in court papers as a "flight risk and a danger to the citizens of Baltimore." The young girl is charged with first-degree murder, armed robbery, using a handgun in the commission of a violent crime and several other offenses.

The victims, both the robbery victims and the murder victim, were Hispanic. I have overheard enough talk on the street to get the impression that Afroamerican-Hispanic tensions are heating up. Rivalry for employment seems to be the issue. Afroamerican unemployment rates are rising, and in a few hot-spots they are very high.

Some people are saying that the media is making it worse by making inflammatory statements. Some people say they're doing it to help Obama in the elections. I don't know, and haven't committed to an opinion. I suggest watching the situation for signs of trouble. If enough of these incidents occur and are heavily covered in the media, it could spark bigger incidents like riots.

I don't want to sound like I am blaming the victim because I am not: this is totally the perpetrator's crime. Things might have gone better for him if he had taken the gun seriously. Women are less likely to commit high-risk (to themselves) or impulsive crimes, but once one has a gun in your face, that's a good indication that she is gutsy enough and impulsive enough to pull the trigger.
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Re: If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 09:13:19 PM »
If the victims had been armed, the outcome would have been different.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2010, 11:56:59 AM »
If the victims had been armed, the outcome would have been different.

maybe. maybe not.
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2010, 12:44:43 PM »
No. No "maybe", no "if". They saw her coming towards them. That means they saw her pull the gun. If they had been armed too, this would have been over before it started.
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Re: If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2010, 12:47:16 PM »
Well, again, they would have had to take her seriously, which at least one of them didn't. Don't assume an armed teenage girl is harmless.
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Re: If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 11:53:00 AM »
maybe the victim's gun would jam. maybe they forgot to load it.  maybe they are afraid to shoot a young girl.  maybe they shoot themselves in the foot.  i could go on.  pro-gun ideology may try and convince people otherwise but the truth is, there are dozens of possible scenarios, no certainty.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 01:27:13 PM »
So in other words potential victims should remain unarmed because their weapon might malfunction. Should all potential accident victims refrain from driving too? After all, their vehicle might break down on the road or they might forget to put gas in the tank or maybe the have a rollover while trying to park. There is no certainty, therefore to make everybody safer, nobody should be allowed to own cars.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 01:34:03 PM »
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maybe the victim's gun would jam. maybe they forgot to load it.  maybe they are afraid to shoot a young girl.  maybe they shoot themselves in the foot.

all of those maybes.... equate to someone that is not familiar and does not know how to maintain and use a firearm correctly.

so yes, I agree with you , those people have no business owning a firearm if they cannot use it properly/ proficiently
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Re: If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 06:33:10 PM »
I'm not saying people should or shouldn't carry guns.  All I did say was there are many potential outcomes if the victim did have a gun.  It seems we all agree on that.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 06:44:09 PM »
I think the most likely outcome is that the victim would not have been a victim.
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 06:51:38 AM »
This is a hard situation. I probably would of chuckled myself....as I was reaching to give her my wallet. Not that she was a female but because I wouldn't have anything in it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 10:54:38 AM »
That's even worse. If you don't have any money in your wallet, that will just piss them off. A guy from New York once told me to always keep $50 in your wallet because "they'll let you live for $50".
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Re: If someone points gun at you, take it seriously.
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 04:01:08 PM »
Don't chuckle. A paranoid attacker might think you are laughing at him/her and take it badly. That's what happened in this situation.  :scared003:

Also, try to stay calm, look them in the eye, and try to keep the attacker calm. No sudden movements as long as it looks like they are just after the cash and it's not an assassination.

DO NOT ALLOW THE ATTACKER TO TAKE YOU ANYWHERE. If they try to take you somewhere, that usually means they are going to murder you and want to move the kill to a more private location under their control.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 11:06:17 AM »
I do not think there is any formula for dealing with potential assailants. 

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2010, 08:43:16 AM »
I do not think there is any formula for dealing with potential assailants. 

Even worse, if there was a formula, could one look it up in time?
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