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Doomsday Shelter
« on: July 29, 2010, 12:57:53 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-07-28-doomsday28_ST_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

I never really imagined a shelter like this. I guess this is for the man that has everything and nothing else to do with his money. Sounds like a few people are making alot on money off of these shelters.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2010, 01:00:58 PM by hancocs »

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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 02:11:43 PM »
The one big problem with the underground shelter idea is flash flooding.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2010, 02:28:35 PM »
When I was a kid we had an underground shelter. my father is a homebuilder and a survivalist and built our home with a shelter. It was a sub level beneath our basement and had a secret way out if we needed to leave the shelter. Pretty cool huh? My parents and  I were just talking about our shelter today, funny that this post came up the same day. They have since sold the house with the shelter years ago, but still taught me many prepper skills that I use today. The shelter was plain and basic , not like the fancy ones seen in the photos.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 02:38:11 PM »
You're father was ahead of his time.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 02:51:14 PM »
I don't think so, having survived the great depression and several wars, he is just a survivalist like the rest of us. He still gardens, preserves, saves seeds, saves money, etc. and he is 78. I think being a survivalist is something I was born into and it has become a way of life. Its not like prepping is  some new idea that we are suddenly now dealing with.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 02:57:01 PM »
The one big problem with the underground shelter idea is flash flooding.

I was also thinking about how earthquake proof these things are?
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 05:11:57 PM »
A dome of some kind would be very robust in an earthquake.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 06:21:21 PM »
Ours survived a small earthquake. However it did flood. After a hard rain it had water in it, just like our leaky basement did. It never really mattered though as it was only for emergencies and thankfully we never had to use it.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 03:37:35 AM »
The best doomsday shelter is the one closet to where I am at doomsday. Will I be at work? Will I be at the kids sporting event? I am not always home to have instant access to a bunker.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 06:11:26 PM »
Underground is feasible, if not without risks.

Earthquakes need not be a problem. The steel container depicted in the article would not be damaged just by shaking. If a whole hillside came down, OK, but that is unlikely. Don't build next to a steep, unstable geological formation.

Steel is vulnerable to corrosion.

Drainage is an issue but hey they have something called a "submarine". If they can keep the water out down under the water, they can keep it out underground. Try making sure drainage around the property is good, then sealing the underground chamber, except for ventilation--which is another problem. Your ventilation pipe better be very sturdy. You don't want that damaged.

Might also need to seal off ventilation temporarily, if expecting any kind of shock wave that could send something unpleasant down  through the ventilation and into the chamber. Also, need planning for fires on the surface, which could create huge convection air currents. That's how so many people died in Dresden, Germany, during WW2: the firebombs sucked all the oxygen out of the basements they had fled to. Those who weren't incinerated suffocated.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 02:28:28 PM »
I am curious if they are actually stocking these things. Not to mention rotating biodegradable supplies.

Biggest problem, which some have already somewhat alluded to, is that most situations are not "either-or". These bunkers are only useful in a CATASTROPHIC situation. You can't live in them full-time.

So, as Darkdwarf mentioned, you're at work or school or whatever when the disaster hits, and chances are you get killed there.

A better idea is to figure out how to make a living in a relatively safe part of the world, have your food AND WATER supplies stocked up, and as Japan has recently taught us, I think you need to consider radiation shielding and other counter-measures. You don't even need to have a nuke in your backyard melting down to ruin your day--you just need to be downwind from one.

I think I need to comment more on nukes. I think there is a hidden danger, that the Japanese have accidentally exposed, that probably also exists closer to home.

It's tied up with everything else. Just as I have been pointing out that we have dams all over the place that are at risk of failure due to lack of perpetual plans for maintenance and eventual removal or replacement before they exceed their life expectancy (assuming anyone ever bothered to think about that when they were built--the expectation was probably that at some time in the future "we" would keep an eye on them and notice when something needed to be done...), we will eventually have nukes that outlive the infrastructure and engineering capabilities needed to maintain them and, eventually, decommission them.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »
Looks like they will have openings for slaves to work in the bakeries, laundries, etc so don't bet on your down payment buying you any luxury, even if they do function. Who is going to pre-stock this place with food for 950 occupants? What will be the medium of exchange in such a place? Who will be the police and military is such a large town? What will be the governing principles? That is a whole bunch of logistics not explained, even if they do manage by wild luck to maintain adequate OPSEC.

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 09:08:28 AM »
Perhaps the best doomsday shelter known is about 3 and half hours from me. It is in west virginia and was the old US presidental bunker. It's secret has since leaked out and they give daily tours through it. I keep saying I'm going, but haven't made it there yet. If I go, I'll give you the details. I wonder where the new one is??? I'm sure the US military has an even better one now. This one was built years ago, but I think the technology was updated regularly until it was disclosed.
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Re: Doomsday Shelter
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 10:10:18 AM »
http://www.undergroundhousing.com/
Check out this guy. I used to have his book but it looks like it is time to consider his ideas again.
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