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Atash Hagmahani

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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2010, 12:43:20 AM »
Yeah, I noticed that too. The news, and the rumors, are too polarized and "formula".
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2010, 08:27:55 AM »
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What I know is that there was a oil rig explosion that killed 11 people; and there is a lot of oil in the Gulf.  Everything else I have heard reported seems unrealistic and inconsistent.


I concur with that.
 In addition, there are alotta dead sea animals out there
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2010, 11:54:31 AM »
Simmon's 5 DWH claims are pretty much bunk.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6789#more


I'm heading back to FL this weekend, hopefully things'll still be well there
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #78 on: August 14, 2010, 09:56:07 AM »
eye am still interested in objective observations from the point of impact. And i even sorta look forward to discussing the merit (or lack there) of as to whether there are permanent impacts to life in the water and whether impacts are caused or exacerbated by Corexit.

However, there is little doubt this is having an impact on Florida at many levels:

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/08/florida-much-worse-problems-than-oil.html

perhaps there are reasons other than the ones Eric Blair proposes in the last couple of paragraphs but without a doubt there are significant economic impacts short and long term. What has happened to all those construction workers in Florida and California now that construction starts aren't?
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2010, 12:14:57 AM »

LSU Toxicologist Talks About Health Risks In the Gulf (YouTube, 14-Aug)
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Dr. Vincent Wilson is a Professor in the Department of Environmental Sciences at Louisiana State University. Some of Dr. Wilson's research interests include: toxicology of environmental pollutants and genotoxic agents; molecular genetic processes involved in carcinogenesis, mutagenesis, aging, and genetic diseases; environmental biomonitoring of genotoxic exposure to feral species; species-specific identification and microbial communities.

Millions of Dead Fish Washing Up On Our Coastlines From Gulf to N.E. (YouTube, 14-Aug)

Thousands of Dead Fish on New Jersey Shore (YouTube, 12-Aug)

Dead Fish All Over the East Coast, Lack of Oxygen from Gulf Disaster (14-Aug)

And President Obama was seen this evening on national news, swimming at some Florida beach with his daughter, encouraging all Americans to come for a holiday: "THE OCEAN IS FINE."

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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2010, 05:21:52 AM »
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whether there are permanent impacts to life in the water and whether impacts are caused or exacerbated by Corexit.

the acute effects are dead fish and wildlife.

However, any chronic epigenetic results will not be known for a few generations to come down the line.
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2010, 02:37:58 PM »
perhaps i already know the answer but did you mean several generations of fish or several generations of people?  :think004: sad23
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #82 on: August 17, 2010, 04:50:20 PM »
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2010, 10:24:12 PM »
Will enough fish and the other parts of the food chain survive to actually reproduce?

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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2010, 11:03:15 PM »
Nature abhores a vaccuum. If the native species fail to reproduce and occupy the gulf, other species will expand their territory and move in.
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2010, 06:55:14 AM »
Guess we will find out what can live in an oily anaerobic environment.

How are the manatee's in Tampa Bay?

How far south along the west shore of Florida has the oil moved? Never met offdalip probably never will but would trust him for an objective report of what he sees and certainly wonder if there have been any changes in the chemistry of local ocean water. Anybody else on this board between Tallahassee and Tampa? Lots of stuff on U-tub but not the same as a direct report from an avatar here.

Anybody really think 75% of the oil has evaporated?

hmmm maybe those soylent green cookies aren't so bad after all.

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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2010, 07:01:41 AM »
haven't seen the manatees yet, but they aren't due for a few more months.

I did go out on the water a few times since I got back from OR last month and haven't seen anything
different fish wish.
porpoises / dolphins still swimming around as well as fish. No tarballs or oil patches as far as I can tell.

It may be possible the oil is too far from me?

For sure, we'll never know what is going on half a mile under water and how many fish died outta sight and sank to the bottom.

maybe that is their plan?!?
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2010, 08:14:02 AM »
Seems to be a very purposeful plan to conceal, misdirect and obfuscate the facts. Some might call it a coverup, certainly is difficult to determine what is really happening and yes that does feel like their very well coordinated from the top plan.

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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2010, 01:45:14 PM »
Whether or not the oil has evaporated would depend almost entirely on how heavy/light it is.  Tar sand oil would sink to the bottom like rock; and very light crude could evaporate as much as 80-90%.  I have seen both.
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Re: Gulf spill and its possible consequences
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2010, 07:18:20 PM »
It CANNOT evaporate, duh


it has to make it to the surface before evaporation can take place.

and even of that, only the heptanes, pentanes and maybe the octanes have a chance of evaporating quickly.

all the heavier hydrocarbons WILL NOT an CANNOT evaporate at all. that is just a chemical fact.

Taken, this is light sweet crude, but I suspicion lotsa oil in that GOM jus' settin'
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