Gulf spill and its possible consequences

[offdalip]

hurricane season started 3 weeks ago.............


peaks exponentially on sept 10th

[opsec]

I wonder if the oil slick might not have a quelling effect on hurricanes. If the oil acts as a barrier to evaporation, then the hurricane wouldn't be able to draw water and energy up from the ocean. The hurricane might die over the oil slick like it does over land. Anybody care to speculate?

[offdalip]

we can hope your theory is right,


oil will also absorb more heat making hurricanes more intense



whatever, seas have turned red now , this is a disaster that will never go away in our lifetimes.... sad

[Beeherder]

Unfortunately eye think you are correct, the impact will be felt for generations not decades, ... generations and many of them.

Two not discussed points:

Air pollution: that is why i listed the things in threes, 3 minutes with out air is not really long enough to do much evacuating. What happens when rain derived from ocean evaporation falls on land? How much pollution will the rain bring to land? How will that Corexit affect breathability of the air? The amounts of these things being pumped into the ocean are nothing short of catastrophic at best. Impacts are unknown but we are all frogs being boiled now and no way out of the water.

Methane: the "usual" concentration of methane in crude oil is approximately 5%, the oil from the GOM spill is approximately 40% methane. Maybe one of you chemists can tell me what happens when lightning flash goes through a methane oxygen mixture. And to think those fools were talking about a nuclear explosion, what insanity.

http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/new-photos-suffering-dolphins

follow the imbedded links for science not corporate/gov't propaganda.

[offdalip]

Maybe one of you chemists can tell me what happens when lightning flash goes through a methane oxygen mixture.

if there is water present as well there is a good chance of forming amino acids, or the basis of life............

What happens when rain derived from ocean evaporation falls on land? How much pollution will the rain bring to land?

insignificant compared to that which already escapes from your tailpipes........

How will that Corexit affect breathability of the air?

from what limited info I saw on the formula, it looks like it mostly breaks down into antifreeze, butanol and soap.

I think by far the greatest damage will be the the animals in the gulf. THEY will all die...........

[Beeherder]

nuff said:

http://www.youtube.com/user/pcolagregg#g/u

[opsec]

I wonder if the oil slick might not have a quelling effect on hurricanes. If the oil acts as a barrier to evaporation, then the hurricane wouldn't be able to draw water and energy up from the ocean. The hurricane might die over the oil slick like it does over land. Anybody care to speculate?

I stand corrected. I'm seeing youtube videos about rain in Louisiana that is laced with oil. Apparently there is some fraction of the oil that is volitile enough to be taken up with the water and then precipitates out yielding oily rain. This means that large areas of crop producing land is going to be poisoned. Prepare now for food shortages.

[Beeherder]

COREXIT is more volatile than the oil and will readily evaporate at normal ambient temperatures so not only is it oily water it is additionally polluted by the product BP is using to sink the oil in an attempt to conceal the magnitude of this blowout 5000 feet under water. Corexit is not approved for use in the North Sea because of this pollution factor, so BP can not use it on any part of the North Slope fields.

http://m.cnn.com/primary/_HYNO2a-ia0ccZgYOlX

and if you believe this piece from msm maybe i could interest you in the bridge i have for sale there in Brooklyn.

What do they have to hide?

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/First_Amendment_Has_been_Suspended

and as always the question remains ... Who gains?

http://www.activistpost.com/2010/06/goldman-sachs-pirates-of-poison-in-gulf.html

[offdalip]

COREXIT is more volatile than the oil and will readily evaporate at normal ambient temperatures so not only is it oily water it is additionally polluted by the product BP is using to sink the oil in an attempt to conceal the magnitude of this blowout 5000 feet under water

that is incorrect, corexit is non-volatile. its breakdown products, mainly butanol and to a lower extent ethylene glycol are.

another thing to consider is the amount of corexit is insignificant.

the thing to consider is the actual dispersant, which is the cruelly hideous pollutant,  it is non-volatile and kills!
basically it is the dishwashing ingredient in dawn, that is the worst ingredient in corexit by far..... soap....

[offdalip]

I'm seeing youtube videos about rain in Louisiana that is laced with oil. Apparently there is some fraction of the oil that is volitile enough to be taken up with the water and then precipitates out yielding oily rain. This means that large areas of crop producing land is going to be poisoned. Prepare now for food shortages.

If that was true we would all already be dead. We have been spewing out Volatile Organic Compounds , VOC's , many many many magnitudes greater than the BP spill for the last few decades
by way of your auto emissions ( unburned fuel ) and factory emissions ( coal fired plants ). the fact that we are still here, and crops are growing, means we can tolerate some pollution.
Is there smog in L.A.?

Yeah, BP spill is small potatoes compared to what organic compounds go into the air everywhere else.

[Eddie]

The question is who is in charge, the U.S. government or BP? Obviously its BP who decides to go ahead and use the dispersants when told not to. Kind of disturbing if you ask me.

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/06/24/24greenwire-bp-continues-to-use-surface-dispersants-in-gul-80293.html

With so much distraction going on these days it doesn't surprise me.

[Beeherder]

 

EYE have great concern for everyone living in places that are in the flow of weather systems out of the GOM, especially our friends in the Tampa Bay area. Had PM been open this might have gone that way instead of open posting but here goes:

Most of the commercial migratory beekeepers on the eastern seaboard and some northern states have large wintering areas in Florida. A huge percentage of the commercial bees of north America are going to be affected by this. Today the melons from Florida looked great so i decided to buy some and cherish every bite as if it were the last i might ever taste from there.

Air quality is my primary concern perhaps because I do understand the equations of state of gases and Charles Law and have worked for and done computer dispersion modeling of pollution plumes in the atmosphere. Atmospheric chemistry is nothing to trifle with and this is no trifle. Benzene, methane, hydrogen sulfide which turns to sulfuric acid in your lungs these are my concerns. Please read through the comments especially to Ellenor Whitty.

http://intotheashes.imva.info/?p=367

BEE Well

[Lore]

Atmospheric chemistry is nothing to trifle with and this is no trifle. Benzene, methane, hydrogen sulfide which turns to sulfuric acid in your lungs these are my concerns.

I think you have just accounted for the growing military presence. The greater threat to us may be hydrocarbons in the air. Apparently people are starting to pass out - in their homes, their offices, behind the wheel, etc. The media is still quiet, but it can't stay that way for very long.

[Beeherder]

Hello Lore,

Are you in or near the coastal GOM areas? Is your report based on experience or is it like mine an attempt to pass along concerns because of what eye see in the not well exposed press?

http://imva.info/index.php/2010/07/medical-treatments-for-airborne-poisons/

A new chemical dispersant is being used in the cleanup effort — it’s toxic, it’s largely experimental, and it’s being sprayed in abundance into the ocean. It’s unclear at this point what exactly its long term impact on life. The active ingredient of the toxic chemical dispersant is a  neurotoxin pesticide that is acutely toxic to both human and aquatic life, causes cancer, causes damage to internal organs such as the liver and kidneys simply by absorbing it through the skin and may cause reproductive side effects. The main ingredients of Corexit it is 2-Butoxyethanol, which is known to cause cancer, birth defects and has been found to cause genetic mutations and is a delayed chronic health hazard as well as an environmental hazardous material. Corexit also contains Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide./quote]

Since i am not a phd chemist my analysis is only as good as eye can find in places where eye look for trustworthy science. That does not mean i get it right but that is the attempt. And if a phd chemist were to disregard my concerns because of their better knowledge and understanding of the atmospheric chemistry that would be just fine too. And anyone with that well informed opinion would owe me no explanation even if i did appreciate their attempt to assuage any unfounded concerns. It has happened before that my desire to share my concerns with others have been not well founded.

Perhaps one or more of you in the health care world would care to review this site:

http://imva.info/

[Lore]

Like you, I am just building a picture based on anecdotes from various blogs.

I spent some time at the oilsands a few years ago; the fumes in the open pit mines were bad enough in close proximity. Imagine how dangerous this is.

I wouldn't go near the Gulf Coast for any reason at this time.