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MnJRutherford

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Greetings and Salutations!
« on: May 23, 2010, 07:11:11 PM »
I'm "currently" based on the eastern seaboard, just close enough to Wilmington North Carolina that I won't die from a lack of decent pastries, but far enough from any purveyor of decent Asian noodle and dumpling dishes to feel I'm in a desert.

I'm a Christian.  I tend to be a bit "controversial" in my views.  On the other hand, I see God working in my life and I don't see Him in others.  Example, a local preacher recently lost his leg.  When I learned of this we were visiting his church and he was jumping around and saying "Praise God I'm learning to use my prosthetic leg!"  That startled me because it seemed quite clear to me that losing a leg to stand on, particularly when one is claiming to speak for God, is a curse.  :confused002:  Well, that tells you how I look at things.

But then, I'm kinda strange anyhow... I homeschool because I feel that if children teach children how to "socialize" we will end up with a society like "Lord of the Flies".  Not my idea of a good time.  I also figure that my children actually need to learn useful things such has how to work, how to read, how to write, and how to apply mathematics to real life situations.  They were not learning that in school.  They were however, spending the entire school year sick.  I didn't like that either.  We've all been MUCH healthier since they haven't been going to school. 

I like to knit.  Right now I'm working on socks which will be the Christmas gift I will give my sons.  I will try to give them each a new sweater as well. 

I'm learning how to create a permaculture and the newest bit of knowledge in my arsenal is garlic!  I've always LIKED garlic... but let me tell you, you have never lived until you have eaten vast quantities of uncured garlic!  Oh my gosh is it ever some of the most wonderful stuff on the earth!  It's even better than peas and onions!  Now, that's saying something for me!

I'm really anal about my spelling and grammar.  Maybe cause I was so lousy at it when I was a kid.  So, now, I try really hard to get everything correct as much as possible.

One of the greatest bits of information I have ever received is the knowledge that people typically experience and average of 14 flatulent events each day.  I think this should be posted on billboards from coast to coast and flatulence should somehow be celebrated.  After all, when you stop, your dead.

So, now that you know far more about me than you probably really wanted to know, I guess I should get on to something else!

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Re: Greetings and Salutations!
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 07:41:50 PM »
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...losing a leg to stand on, particularly when one is claiming to speak for God, is a curse.

And what do you call it when a priest gets shot by a burglar?  That's what happened to the priest of my church when I was about 6 years old. 

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I homeschool because I feel that if children teach children how to "socialize" we will end up with a society like "Lord of the Flies".

The social behavior children learn in school is how to compete for the favor of the authority figure.  The methods of gaining favor that are successful is to be as close to the center of every bell curve as possible, and play the role of the victim in interactions with others.

I plan to homeschool too.  My kid isn't yet 3.

I'm also concerned about all the indoctrination that "without/before our wonderful government, everyone was living in agony from the second they were born until their miserable death a short time later."  Thanks to The Party or Big Brother or whomever, for our wonderful comforts!  Oh, and don't forget "our freedoms".

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I also figure that my children actually need to learn useful things such has how to work, how to read, how to write, and how to apply mathematics to real life situations.

How to set their own worthwhile goals and muster resources to achieve them. 

How to listen to or read something and evaluate it with the questions in mind "what is this person trying to persuade me of?" and "why do they want me to believe that?"

How to interact with people of various ages and social positions.

How to schedule their own time in order to make best use of it. 

I'm sure I'll think of more later.

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After all, when you stop, your dead

Shouldn't that be "you're"?

I can be a Grammar Nazi too.  :P

But there is a time and place for casual grammar.  Like in an earlier part of this post, where I ended a sentence with a preposition. 
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Re: Greetings and Salutations!
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 08:32:29 PM »
+1 on everything you said, and welcome aboard. :greet009:

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One of the greatest bits of information I have ever received is the knowledge that people typically experience and average of 14 flatulent events each day.

It's nice to know that I'm ahead of the curve. :gen013:

...and by the way, that should have read "...an average..." not "...and average...".


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After all, when you stop, your dead

Shouldn't that be "you're"?

Score two for the Grammar Nazi's.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 08:44:02 PM »
The preacher I referenced is a specific case.  Since I don't know the burglar OR the priest, I would not be comfortable making a comment.

As for home schooling, it suddenly occurred to me that our public education system is only a couple hundred years old and is clearly in a state of decline.  However, the process of "education" has historically been the responsibility of parents for millenia.  I kinda think it's gotta be better because it's been around longer.  I'm observing that my children are learning far more intricate and detailed life lessons standing by their father's side (cause they are boys, they stand at my side occasionally as well though) than they ever did in a room of mostly children who were the results of unfortunate mating rituals.  I weep inside for these children who receive less care and attention than turtle eggs on a windswept beach.

You are correct, it should have been you're... but then again, I didn't say I was a Nazi... I said I was anal and that I TRY (seldom succeed, thank goodness for spell checkers!  :laughing002:)

I wish you well with your home schooling!  I encourage you to consider that if this is indeed your desired course of action, then you have already begun the task.  

Unleavened bread is a great lesson at this age and can be repeated easily over the course of several days.  Here's a recipe:

1/2 c. flour
1 mommy pinch of salt
1 child pinch of salt
1 mommy squirt of olive oil
1 child pinch of olive oil (I keep my olive oil in a ketchup style squirt bottle)
1 mommy tablespoon of hot water
2 child tablespoons of hot water

Mix in a bowl with a fork till it comes together in a ball.  
Turn out onto a flour sprinkled work surface.
Rub hands with flour.
Knead the dough till the child is tired of doing so.
Form into a ball and cover with the bowl.
Allow to rest for 15 minutes.
Roll out to about 8 to 12".
Heat a pan the size of your loaf on medium high heat.
Carefully lay the loaf in the pan and observe the changes that occur.
Flip it when you feel like it and continue your observations.
I cook mine about 4 minutes on each side in a dry skillet.  However, sometimes I like to fry it with more oil.  Sometimes I add a lot more oil, sesame seeds, and honey.  We call that "Bread of Joy" in our family.
If you child enjoys this and you try it more than once, experiment with the amount of water, oil, and salt.  

Enjoy!  :gen013:


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Re: Greetings and Salutations!
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 08:46:00 PM »
 :laughing002:  ACK!  OK OK!!!  So you see why I was so discouraged as a kid?  ;o)

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Re: Greetings and Salutations!
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 12:29:28 AM »
I'll probably post more elsewhere...or maybe just write my magnum opus and sell it...

I think the main problem with public education, which we've somewhat touched on, is conflict-of-interest. A lot of different characters, including the Puritans, John Dewey, Benjamin Bloom, the Rockefeller Foundation, the US Supreme Court, and numerous others, stirred up the pot with their own agendas. I think the basic problem was that the temptation to use school for indoctrination was too great.

If school shouldn't be indoctrination, what SHOULD it be? I think this is a question on which a lot of educational traditionalists have gotten lost. Seeing that "educational reform" has been a disaster, they've tried to return to what the school system used to be--back when it was little more than finishing school for rich boys and girls.

MnJRutherford touched on the issue of practical skills. What I perceive is too much "WHAT" and not enough "HOW".

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Data isn't terribly meaningful unless it RELATES to other data...that relates to other data...that somewhere along the line relates to something you care about. Too much "education" is of the form "a cow is a quadruped". Essentially useless information. Useful information, that actually relates to something, would be something like "to milk a cow, do this...and this...then this...".

Instead of filling their heads with information, useful or otherwise, I suggest filling their heads with process. Start out with the process for learning new information! That way, you bootstrap the process.

For example, teach them how to read. But that's not good enough. Why not teach them how to "speed read"? That's when you read about as fast as you can think, because you stop subvocalizing and also because you start chunking in bigger and bigger chunks of text, until you can read a whole column of data using your "peripheral vision" (not really--but the point is that you don't focus on a narrow bit of text, but spread your vision over the whole column of text).

Supposedly some people can do a whole page at once. Howard Berg takes roughly a second to scan a page and summarize it.

But that's not good enough! Why not teach them how to prime their brains to pick out specific information? For example, if you go to the problem set following the chapter and read the questions BEFORE reading the chapter, you will tend to pick out and retain whatever information is needed to answer the questions with significantly higher accuracy than if you do it the usual order. That's why some advanced textbooks ask questions at the beginning of the chapter as well as at the end.

But that's not good enough!

We can improve his retention significantly. At the very least, teach him to imagine elements of the material he is being taught. "Visualize"--or better yet, represent it in all 3 major sensory channels. I would also teach how to make stories out of information. Our brains remember a story better than abstractions. I would also suggest certain synesthesia-like training, to map information in one sensory channel to another at will, to translate information in a hard-to-remember format, such as digits, into another form that is easy to remember.

Which is how I can easily remember that

pi = 3.14159265358979323846264338379502884197169399375105820974944592307816406296208998628034825342117067

off the top of my head. Might be overkill to memorize pi to 100 decimal places, but think of all the physics constants that kids could easily memorize. Or historical dates. Or long lists, or sequences of events, in perfect order. How about mathematical rules, such as integration and derivation rules? Synesthesia (mapping one sensory channel to another one, either voluntarily, or not) is how Daniel Trammet learned to speak Icelandic in 1 week.

What if Johnny is bored out of his wits with the reading material? Guess what...we can fix that too!

Oddly enough it actually helps if Johnny is reading at the same speed he thinks, because it cuts down on mind-wandering problems. And it helps if he is visualizing, because for one thing it sharpens attention. But we can do better than that...we can train Johnny to control his own mood!

We could train him to make the mental and emotional connections between boring material, and something he's more interested in. Like say he hates math, but wants to be a rocket scientist. We can connect the excitement of one to the other, and squash the boredom. This by the way is one of the most useful things you are ever likely to learn in your life. Imagine being able to psych yourself to do something you feel like you HAVE to do...because it's a step on the path to what you really want...and coming out with more motivation and enthusiasm.

So one possible strategy would be for the "teacher" (parent, grandparent, sibling, other community mentor) to teach the student strategies for learning, and then have the student take the lead on acquiring information.
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Re: Greetings and Salutations!
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 07:39:47 AM »
hello jo..... the grammar police still let me post here.... so they must not be so strict....  :laughing002:

great points about indoctrination atash.

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 06:33:36 PM »
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Atash, you are great...  I'm gonna teach my kids how to make shoes, milk cows, and let their wives teach them how to change diapers.

I feel I going way beyond the norm by reading scripture to them.  85 days now and we are near the middle of Psalms...   :gen013:

I hear ya Zac!

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 09:15:48 PM »
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Too much "education" is of the form "a cow is a quadruped".

I don't know why this hits me the way it does, but this kept coming back into my mind all day today, and I keep laughing every time it does.  :laughing002:
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 09:34:46 PM »
Are those lads your grandsons?
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 05:27:05 AM »
Are those lads your grandsons?

From left to right, Tommy is my son, LaTrel is my grandson, and Robby is my son.   :confused013:  Yea yea... when my daughter was 18 and leaving for boot camp I lost my head and figured it would be a great time to have more kids.  She was a tad miffed as well.  Tommy is 4 months older than LaTrel.

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 08:05:15 AM »
I know a lot of people who grew up with an aunt or uncle close in age.  My husband has an uncle that he grew up with as if he was a cousin. 

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As for teaching someone to change diapers....

You learn that pretty quickly as you go.  In the mean time, you have some leaks.  Some messes to clean up.  Some clothes and bedding to wash. The consequences of messing it up aren't as severe as, say, not having learned to drive a car and then suddenly finding yourself behind the wheel on a busy street.   

When Rostislav was born, the last time I had seen a diaper changed was my sister's 24 years earlier.  I vaguely remembered sticky tabs on either side.  If my parents didn't stick the tab to the right spot and had to open it again, they used duct tape to close it again.  Current diapers don't have that.  The tabs work by some sort of micro-velcro, and can be done and undone and redone multiple times.  Who knows what diapers will be like in a decade or 2.

I ended up using a lot of cloth diapers.  There was nobody to show me.  I just read a lot about it on mothering.com's forums, and the diaper pin website. 
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