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http://www.morethanalive.com/articles/whole-soy-story

I'm not on an anti-soy campaign, but I think that soy may not be a viable food source after all.

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Indeed, thousands of studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive distress, immune-system breakdown, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders and infertility-even cancer and heart disease.

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How Much Soy Do Asians Really Eat?

Those who dare to question the benefits of soy tend to receive one stock answer: Soy foods couldn't possibly have a downside because Asians eat large quantities of soy every day and consequently remain free of most western diseases. In fact, the people of China, Japan, and other countries in Asia eat very little soy. The soy industry's own figures show that soy consumption in China, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan ranges from 9.3 to 36 grams per day. That's grams of soy food, not grams of soy protein alone. Compare this with a cup of tofu (252 grams) or soy milk (240 grams).

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Contrary to popular belief, neither soy milk nor soy infant formula is traditional in Asia. Soy milk originated as a byproduct of the process of making tofu; the earliest reference to it as a beverage appeared in 1866. By the 1920s and 1930s, it was popular in Asia as an occasional drink served to the elderly. The first person to manufacture soy milk in China was actually an American-Harry Miller, a Seventh Day Adventist physician and missionary.

The first soy infant formulas in China were developed in the 1930s and have never been widely used. Today, babies in Asia are almost always breastfed for at least the first six months, then switched to a dairy-based infant formula. Orphans and others who cannot be breastfed by a wet nurse are fed from birth on dairy formulas.

Claims that soybeans have been a major part of the Asian diet for more than 3,000 years, or from "time immemorial," are simply not true.


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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 08:00:57 AM »
It is one of the top 3 allergens.  If you have any difficulty with milk, you probably also have difficulty with soy.

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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 08:02:47 AM »
There is also a huge difference between soy that has been fermented and soy that has not been fermented.  In the US, they add un-fermented soy to most foods.
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 11:55:17 AM »
Having observed Chinese culture first-hand at close range...

* Yes, they really do eat a lot of soy, and have for a long time. Daufu is the key ingredient in a fairly common dish that has been around for a long time, "ma bo daufu" ("the pockmarked mother's bean-meat"). Soy sauce has been ubiquitously used for probably thousands of years.

* Soy-milk is NOT a by-product of making daufu. You make daufu out of soy-milk. It's not a by-product, but a first-step in the process. First you make soy-milk, then you coagulate it with calcium salts. I dunno how long they have drunk it, and it's true they don't feed it to their babies except maybe fortified, recently, for infants who are already allergic to milk.

Most other Asians do not eat nearly as much daufu, if any, as the Chinese. The Japanese however have been making Miso for hundreds of years, and that is a very common type of soup, which in the old days was a fairly typical Japanese breakfast. Also, large numbers of diaspora Chinese have introduced soy to a lot of parts of the world, such as Southeast Asia, where the natives don't or didn't eat it but Chinese locals do.

Javanese have been making a soy product called "Tempeh" for a long time. It is made by innoculating soybeans with a specific fungus, and eating the soy and the network of mycelium. It is "interesting" for a number of reasons, but hard to make unless your climate has an ambient temperature of around 90 degrees with correspondingly high humidity. People determined to make it in the USA make boxes to keep it warm and humid to grow the fungus, which they need to maintain as a pure culture.

I think a lot of hysteria around soy started when some Italian scientists discovered that a diet rich in soy is negatively correlated with heart attacks.

Unfortunately, they speculated that it might have to do with the phytoestrogens found in many Leguminous foods including soybeans (this is NOT a peculiarity unique to soybeans).  Women do not die of heart attacks at anything like the rate at which men do, until about 20 years or so later in their lives when their hormonal levels subside. Problem with linking it to estrogen is that not only do men produce estrogen, but unlike women their production does not fall off as much with age. (hmmm...are eunuchs as prone to heart-attacks as intact males?)

http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc97/12_6_97/fob1.htm

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Estrogen is usually described as the animal kingdom's primary female sex hormone. That's a gross oversimplification, however. Even that quintessentially male preserve -- the sperm -- depends on estrogen, scientists report this week. Without estrogen, males are infertile.
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What the new data clearly demonstrate, Korach states, is the essential role of estrogen in male reproductive health. Indeed, Sharpe adds, "Suddenly, the idea of 'male' and 'female' hormones begins to look thin."

Estrogen is thought of as a "female" hormone only because our way of thinking has been dominated by cultures that tend to view the world as opposing opposites, for example, Aristotelian binary logic, or the El-Ashteroth fertility cult.

Male and female are not "opposites". Put a man and a woman together and they don't cancel each other out and implode!

That article I linked to touches on male hormonal problems that are causing a decrease in sperm count, not to mention a suspected effeminization of men in general. That's an issue to discuss on a different thread, and I doubt it has anything to do with soybeans. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the problem were actually with women's hormone's not mens: using birth control pills makes women prefer more effeminate mates. Not to mention that the hormones in birth control pills get into the sewage system and are detectable in drinking water.

In any case, soybeans are not unique in containing phytoestrogens, they have approximately one-thousandth of the effect of real estrogens, and furthermore, most people's digestive tracts break down a lot of what's there before it hits your blood stream.

Unfortunately, though, the Feminist community went off half-cocked over the speculated hormonal link, and widely-disseminated the idea that soy foods were "good for women".

This, not surprisingly, resulted in a counter-reaction that they must be bad for men!

It didn't help that there had already been a deep suspicion of soybeans in some segments of the "whole foods" movement, because soy-foods are essentially ALWAYS fractionated. Almost no human eats soybeans straight up; they're hard to cook and hard to digest.

When I developed sensitivities to certain foods as a result of a problem caused by prescription antacids that I stupidly took on doctor's orders, I stopped eating soy, because it was commonly listed as a common irritant.

Soy is also ubiquitous in processed foods--further damaging its reputation. BUT only in tiny amounts. And I don't eat much processed food anyway. The really hard foods to avoid were actually wheat and oats.

I eventually narrowed it down to the gluten in wheat, to which I had developed a mild sensitivity, and....OATS! To which apparently I have long been developing a sensitivity to and can no longer tolerate at all!

And oats are absolutely ubiquitous in US breakfast foods. Wheat and corn-based porridges have gotten very rare, most brands have been pulled from the markets, and I can only find the few left at just a few stores anymore. It's probably easy to find corn porridge in the southern states ("grits") but it is very hard to find in northern states--mostly only in grocery stores where Afroamericans, many of whom still eat it--shop.

The only thing I notice about soy is that textured vegetable protein is hard to digest. It's too dense, probably has too long of polymerized chains of amino acids, and often show up in a fatty form as "vegetarian meat". Daufu seems to be pretty easy to digest; I have no problem with it and never did.
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 12:08:47 PM »
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 05:41:17 PM »
ok, where is the daufu recipe!
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 06:08:44 PM »
ok, where is the daufu recipe!

I should probably post it elsewhere, but here ya go:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7uPmsArokCY&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/7uPmsArokCY&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 06:19:25 PM »
Duh, just in case it's not obvious:

"daufu" = "tofu"

"Daufu" is a slightly closer transliteration of its Chinese name, but not quite accurate; the "o" or "au" is a dipthong that is similar to but not quite same as the "o" in "close" (well, the way I say "close"). It's not a "t" either, it's a "d" as in "Daoism", which somehow gets inaccurately transliterated to "Taoism".

"Dau" = "bean"
"Fu" is a now-obsolete word for "meat". They no longer use it, using a word that would translate as "flesh", which is hard to transliterate because it uses a sound that does not occur in English, something between an "r" and a "zh" or a soft "j". r/zh/jao
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 09:43:54 PM »
classic!  Is the calcium sulfate more effective I wonder? 
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 11:57:09 PM »
I doubt it; soy milk curdles just like real milk and acidity and warmth with do it.

But the calcium salts have the benefit of boosting the calcium content; daufu is a "calcium rich food".
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 10:08:17 AM »
Ok.  Well that would be good in that lemon supply is more sustainable for me than calcium sulfate.  Where does that stuff come from?
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 01:15:57 PM »
The ocean bed is covered in it, but usually it's mined on former sea-beds. You probably know a form of it as "Gypsum". It's rather common. I wouldn't be surprised if Bermuda were loaded with it.

I THOUGHT that's what the Japanese used, but when I looked up the word "Nigari", it turns out to be Magnesium chloride, which they extract from seawater by first desalinizing it, then evaporating it. It's probably the 2nd-most abundant salt in seawater.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 04:07:12 PM »
what process is used for desalinization that doesn't remove magnesium chloride?  What is a "former" sea bed?
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Re: Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2010, 11:35:34 AM »
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