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Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« on: June 09, 2010, 01:28:41 PM »
How do you test the edibility of something that you don't know is actually edible?

Manihot esculenta has protein and vitamin-rich leaves. Too bad they are poisonous. But the cyanide will dissipate if you cook them a few minutes.

One more problem: the plant is deep-tropical. But its kissin' cousin Manihot grahamii isn't; it will overwinter even as far north as I am. But is it edible? The cyanoglycosides I know how to deal with. Anything else lurking there?

How does one test wild plants for edibility?
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 01:32:29 PM »
I saw snippets of a survival book somewhere that had a series of tests...but it seemed more suited to raw foraged items.  I think they said take a piece of it and rub it on the inside of the elbow and wait a few hours or even a day.  If there was no reaction then touch to the tongue and again wait.  Maybe a day later, eat a very small piece and wait....if you are still alive and it doesn't taste offensive, it should be edible.  How/if you would adapt this to a cooked food, I don't know.  Of course, none of this should be misconstrued as advice!
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 02:39:12 PM »
I suppose I could rub the cooked leaves on my skin to see if it gives me a rash!  :laughing002:

I think part of the reason we don't know if this plant is edible, is because it is native to soy and cattle country in southern South America (northern Argentina, southern Brazil, Uruguay, and thereabouts). Nobody is too worried about getting enough protein.

The protein is unbalanced. It's short on the sulfur-containing amino acids such as methionine. Eat it with cereals I guess.
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 03:05:46 PM »
That edibility test in all the survival manuals is dangerous. It was developed back during WWII as a last ditch method in case stranded soldiers were facing emminent starvation. The advice that I've heard from survival teachers is that one should not rely on that test. Go to a pet store and buy some mice. Feed it to the mice and see what happens. 
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 03:43:32 PM »
Oh, man, bad Karma!  :laughing002:

What if I rub on on the mice's arms first?

Or maybe trap a 'Possum and use it. They're not as cute as mice. In fact, they're not very cute at all, they don't tame, and they're kinda pests actually. It seems as though there should be less bad Karma involved. Still, though, if it goes into convulsions and dies in agony, I'm going to feel evil.
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 04:46:57 PM »
Would it help to know that the Possum's primary defense against predators is to roll around in it's own feces?

Endangering yourself endangers your family. Which causes more bad karma, that, or killing some mice?
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 06:07:27 AM »
It is for the greater good.  And besides, if it isn't edible, the mouse/possum will treat it like a GMO food and ignore it...
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 11:31:08 AM »
Maybe I should plant some of this as way to rid myself of my raccoon issue.
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 12:00:27 PM »
Wait. We don't know that it's actually poisonous.
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Re: Edibility prospects for Manihot grahamii?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 12:53:19 PM »
Opsec, we're pretty sure it IS poisonous, and deadly so, raw. Cyanide. A highly volatile form that cooks out in a few minutes (don't cook it all day, and sniff the fumes. That's how fufu (starchy West African dish) makers get chronic low-level cyanide poisoning from it's relation Cassava).

The question is whether it contains any problem chemicals other than cyanide. I'm guessing they are pretty comparable to domesticated Cassava. The plant looks so much like its domesticated cousin it's hard to tell them apart at first glance. I'm pretty sure they're capable of crossing too; I think the genus is a small one of closely-related species.

Right now I still have a lot of options. I don't think this will be a significant food any time soon; the question is more one of opportunism. I don't think anything bad would happen to the hypothetical test animal; I doubt they contain anything their relations don't. It's also a matter of taking prudent precautions to avoid nasty surprises.

Chaya is another Euphorbaceae member with the same form of cyanide in the leaves, also rendered edible by cooking. I've finally found a source for it; I think it is more of a passalong plant in Texas and Florida than one that moves through commercial channels. In fact, that's how I found it; a guy wants to make a little money from his Chaya prunings from his shrubs in his back yard.

Chaya however is not as coldhardy as Manihot grahamii. It will survive light frosts but probably not severe ones. It will need greenhouse treatment over the winter. Point is not so much as a major food source, but to have it to sell to others in suitable climates--including having it for ourselves if we offshore ourselves. AND it's a food source, insofar as surprisingly few plants will provide greens for a family. Several websites said to the effect that 1 or 2 would feed a family, a hedge of them a whole neighborhood. One of the universities that tested it in Puerto Rico said highest value of greens for the space that they could find. So a few plants in the greenhouse for taking cuttings, could also provide some cheap groceries.

Chaya is not as rich in protein as Cassava leaves are, but the protein is better-balanced (Cassava leaves don't have enough sulfur-containing amino acids--eat them with cereals), and the overall nutritional profile is excellent. Much more nutritious than any temperate-climate green, including even healthy Brassica greens.

People who eat them say they taste "like spinach, but milder", and "need more cooking, because the leaves are tougher than spinach". One minute cooking will do it, but they suggest more like 5 to 10 to tenderize them. Otherwise, you can sneak them into anything that is good with spinach. Popular mixed in fritatas, or served steamed with garlic and butter.

Because of the cyanide, all of these species are fairly pest-free. I could plant the Manihot in my deer-infested property and not have to worry about it.
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