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Atash Hagmahani

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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2010, 09:42:35 PM »
Both exit taxes and rising inheritance taxes have been on the table at the Federal level for a while now. I see no reason the states should not get the same idea.  :scared010:
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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2010, 01:55:22 PM »
Thanks guys,

I agree. This sort of initiative sounds ridiculous to us, but acts like a magnet for sociopaths with Green or other agendas. It could easily gain momentum amongst impoverished voters with nothing to lose: wouldn't cost them a cent, but "would sure fix them rich guys."

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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2010, 09:32:02 PM »
A few weeks ago, Eric T. was on FSN and asked JP about getting out.  He also asked that Richard in Buenos Aires contact him.  I don't think Richard did, but many other people did.  So Eric T. set up this thread on Chris Martenson's site:
http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/getting-out-fsn-follow/37263
For people who want to consider getting out.


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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2010, 12:01:41 PM »
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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2010, 02:17:52 PM »
The problem being where to stash your cash. Certainly not the local banks!  :shocked011:

It doesn't help that former local banking center Uruguay radically changed its laws.

My understanding is that rich Argentinos tend to have offshore accounts.

La Salta--the guy is trying to create a South American version of Sun City. But I want to grow crops. There are some good croplands in the irrigable river-valleys, but they're a bit pricey. Not as bad as here, but high enough. And the whole country is drought-prone except for bits of land far enough south and west to catch some of the rain before the Andes block the rest of it.

That's the problem with the Andes--too much rain on one side and not enough on the other. Southern Chile is largely temperate rainforest--like Juneau Alaska or the Hoh River rainforest here. Patagonia is high dry and cold. Not severely cold though--I see Cordyline australis growing in the background of pictures of the Welsh colonies in Patagonia. Probably fairly decent wheat country.

I've seen some really stunning pix of some parts of the country. Chile is probably even more beautiful, with its mountains and seascapes.

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Cheaper version of Italian Alpine Lakes district? It gets cold enough to snow every winter, but it's not severely cold. I think we decided it was the same latitude as Lake Tahoe, but not as high elevation. Winters slightly colder than mine but not by much.
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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2010, 12:27:52 AM »
From offdalip's link:

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Doug: Chile is the unsophisticated mining province that made good... It's modern, everything works, and the capital city of Santiago is clean and nice, if plagued by air pollution. But it's a lot more expensive than Argentina or Uruguay, and doesn't have the same charm. Pinochet, for all his faults, put the place on the road to success. It's estimated the average Chilean has more net worth than the average American now.

Comment: If one considers national debt, and divides that by the population.... most Americans are underwater.

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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2010, 04:52:07 AM »
hugely underwater. because we borrowed soo much in the past while promising to pay ourselves big time later on in retirement.
how does that square up?



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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2010, 09:35:08 AM »
hugely underwater. because we borrowed soo much in the past while promising to pay ourselves big time later on in retirement.
how does that square up?


How does it square up?
I don't know.  But it will be a bigger disaster if the US borrows abroad to pay for retirement entitlements.  It is best to break our promises to ourselves.... kinda like Newyear's resolutions.

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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2010, 12:57:56 PM »
younger folk would be all over that idea.......however,
the older folk would form a literal stampede over anyone
that tried to overhaul the system.....
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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2010, 05:48:43 PM »


How about we just erase the Federal Reserve and all that alleged national debt.!


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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2010, 06:09:09 PM »
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How about we just erase the Federal Reserve and all that alleged national debt.!

This is an impossibility, due to the fact that the Federal Reserve is in bed with Wall Street and they in turn are in bed with the government.

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Re: The ruins of Detroit
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2010, 11:06:34 AM »
Back to Detroit:  I came across an interesting lecture on permaculture based on the happenings in Detroit.  Mr. Kent frames the history of Detroit quite well - it was booming pre-mid sixties, the most booming city on the planet at that time.  Over decades the population has been cut by 50% - and the poor 50% being left behind with nowhere to go.  The scale of the demolition and now open space is amazing.  47 square miles of empty city lots.  The good news is: urban farmers are on the rise.

http://www.schumachercollege.org.uk/community/permaculture-and-society-the-example-of-detroit-an-open-evening-with-rhamis-kent

Mr. Kent recently moved to the UK and returned to teach permaculture in the ruins of detroit.  His insights are devastating: post industrial society collapse in Detroit, Baltimore, Cleveland are PREVIEWS of what will become eventually of ALL industrial cities.  Why?  Obsolescence.  Their model is obsolete and running on fumes.  He calls an industrial plant a poor imitation of a real plant - quite apt!  Reminded my of Mollison's diagrams comparing the process by which an industrial egg is produced vs a real chicken's egg (wild, homestead).  The analogy of monocultures from the questions at the end is also insightful. 
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