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One of my favorite herbs
« on: August 08, 2008, 11:20:56 PM »
I've had a devil of a time shooting pictures of this! First I went out too late so light was not good, and this time the camera shot it out of focus (it is an auto-focus unless I go into a specific manual focus mode, which doesn't seem to work anyway). For some reason most autofocus seem to give massive priority to the background.

It's Agastache foeniculum, which has a nice combination of fennel and mint. One of the better tonic herbs.

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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 01:19:29 AM »
Does a tonic herb mean that it has medicinal value?
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 05:08:15 AM »
I've never grown it.

I've heard it's good for arthritis, when drunk daily.  It also attracts bees.

If I remember correctly, this is one of those medicines that works more as a supplement (like taking excessive vitamin C when you are fighting off a bladder infection) as opposed to a direct help. 

Does it kill off all the plants around it like fennel? Are there more uses I don't know about?

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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 10:14:15 AM »
"Tonic" is simply an herb whose essence has been steeped hot water. Long before coffee became the hot beverage of choice, and before tea became a common import from China, Europeans used to drink tonics made from various plants for various purposes.

Bear in mind that those days were before the modern concept of "medicine"--something that you take when you're already sick. In those days, there was more of a concept of doing things proactively. For example, the traditional use for raspberry leaf tonic was for women to drink during pregnancy. But there is nothing considered "medicinal" about it in the sense of their being "something wrong". It won't hurt men or children to drink it, or for that matter women when they aren't pregnant.

Agastaches are mostly from the New World, although Asia has one or two species. A. foeniculum is native to a huge area of the midwestern USA (its relations are more common in the Southwestern USA and Mexico, where there are many different local species), and was almost certainly harvested wild by the Amerinds for medicinal purposes. Unlike most of its dainty relatives, it is a vigorous and almost weedy species, spreading rapidly like mint. Nevertheless, the scent is quite good. The scent reputedly varies by the way. I have 3 varieties; two arrived in a small pot, and one is from seed that was supposed to have been selected for its essential oils. They all smell pretty good.

Some people call it "Anise Hyssop", which is a hideous name for it. It's not a Hyssop, is more attractive than a Hyssop (most of its relatives even more so, being fairly showy of flower), and the scent at least of mine is more of a combination of a fairly clean mild mint smell and fennel than pure anise.

I am not familiar with its traditional uses, so I did an internet search and found this:

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An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of colds, fevers, weak heart etc. When left to go cold, the infusion is used to treat pains in the chest (such as when the lungs are sore from too much coughing). A poultice of leaves and stems can be used to treat burns.

I guess that is not surprising, as being a member of the Mint family it would tend to have similar uses.

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It also attracts bees.

Yes, it does. It's hard to spot but there is one of our native bumblebees on it in the picture.

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If I remember correctly, this is one of those medicines that works more as a supplement (like taking excessive vitamin C when you are fighting off a bladder infection) as opposed to a direct help.

It can be drunk anytime; it's pretty mild. The essential oils probably help open up nasal passages which is why it is recommended for colds. They are also probably mildly antiseptic, hence the use as a poultice. I don't know enough about arthritis to conjecture why it might be recommended for that.

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Does it kill off all the plants around it like fennel?

I doubt it. Until it really got going in earnest (it's a quick-growing plant), it was getting mobbed by its neighbors, the breadseed poppies. Now they are gone for the season, and it is growing great gangbusters. There is a Sweet Cicely nearby, that doesn't seem to mind it as a neighbor.
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 12:55:25 PM »
"For example, the traditional use for raspberry leaf tonic was for women to drink during pregnancy."

NOT IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER!

It can cause miscarriage. 

It tones the uterus.  But it can sometimes cause uterine spasms, which can contribute to a misscarriage.

But I have read the statements of hundreds of women who drank it regularly in the last trimester and felt certain it contributed to a shorter and less painful labor.
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 03:04:05 PM »
There is actually a lot of argument on what's safe and what isn't.  Most herbalists I've spoken to argue that one cup a day durring the first trimester is okay, provided that the mother isn't at a high risk for miscarriage.  If it's an ordinary pregnancy it's good for you then.  If you have trouble, then avoiding that, along with peppermint, is probably a good idea.

One herbalist I'm learning from is actually most concerned with drinking raspberry tea at the end of the third trimester, unless you are already in labor, because you can bring on early labor.

The list of herbs that they urge caution with during pregnancy is ridiculously long.  There aren't really many reliable studies and with something like pregnancy most people urge caution before all else. 

I can't really blame them. :)

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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 06:57:29 PM »

From the Plants For a Future Website (which is amazing)

"Leaves and flowers - raw or cooked. They are used as a flavouring in raw or cooked dishes[108, 177, 257]. Excellent raw, they have a sweet aniseed flavour and are one of our favourite flavourings in salads[K]. They make a delicious addition to the salad bowl[183] and can also be used to flavour cooked foods, especially acid fruits[K].The only drawback to the leaves is that they tend to have a drying effect in the mouth and so cannot be eaten in quantity[K]. A pleasant tasting tea is made from the leaves"

They give it top marks for edibility.  I just planted some 4 weeks ago...
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2008, 08:14:50 PM »
One herbalist I'm learning from is actually most concerned with drinking raspberry tea at the end of the third trimester, unless you are already in labor, because you can bring on early labor.

There is a group of hundreds of women on Mothering.com who drink red raspberry leaf tea at the end of pregnancy to get a much faster and easier labor.  I didn't see any of them report early labor.  They drink a cup every day in the last trimester, and then 2-4 cups, brewed strong, as soon as they go into labor.

I had a repulsion to it, so I didn't drink it more than once.
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2008, 11:39:41 AM »
I doubt I'll do anything with the Agastache except make "tea" (technically, "tisane" is the appropriate word, or "tonic") out of it. But the fragrance of mine is outstanding and I think it will be well-suited to the task.

It's one of the dowdier-looking species. Most Agastaches are prettier. But it's OK; good enough some people consider it an ornamental and are unaware of potential utilitarian purposes.

I do grow real tea, Camellia sinensis. This far north it is slow-growing, so it helps to have other options. The nice thing about tea-like beverages is that it gets you into habit of boiling the water, so as to kill microorganisms. That is probably the cultural reason that Asians make ice tea by boiling water! For millenia the water was not fit to drink without boiling, and as our infrastructure goes into decline, that is probably a good idea again.
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 03:47:51 PM »
Wow, I finally got this Hyssop!  Wow!  What an incredible smell and taste. 
Sure to be one of my favorites as well.
Thanks Atash for bringing it to my attention and thanks to the rest of you for the additional info
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 03:00:39 PM »

The Beeherder added this one to the herb garden (one of them) this year because it showed up on one of the bee friendly (read honey production) plant lists I stumbled upon. The first thing I thought of when I pinched one of those leaves was licorice flavored honey wine (for medicinal and barter purposes only - wink, wink). You probably thought of something else.

And a great big thanks to The Future for that website, its in the favorites list in both gardening and beekeeping.

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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 03:18:23 PM »
Notes on hyssop:  I started with one plant 7 or 8 years ago.  It is wild hyssop (gift from a friend).  My lazy gardener methods had the plant going to seed and the original spreading as will.
It spreads quite readily and competes well with dandelion and other noxious competition.

This year I cut it back to about 6" tall to see how well it stools out as a herbal garden hedge/ border.  I have been using chives as a border and they need to be trimmed daily (incompatible with lazy methodology.) 
:gen013:  The hyssop stools well, flower at the lower height, and they are still close to the height I cut them at.

Bonus:  I took the cut tips and stuck them in the ground, just to see.  They have rooted well and are looking like an easy, low maintenance boarder.   
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 07:42:54 PM »
Ahhh, chives.  I love chives.  When we moved in here, there was a cement planter that had been ignored for years and had chives thriving in it.  Then I noticed a chive plant growing in the lawn.  Now the landlord has planted something else in the cement planter, and the chives in the lawn are also gone.  I wonder if my toddler grazed on it too much.  Or if the landscaping people who come every 2 weeks to mow the lawn might have pulled it out.  I should ask my mother to transplant some of her chives into a pot for me.  She's got tons of it.
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Re: One of my favorite herbs
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 08:01:50 PM »
Potted chives need at least a 1 gallon nursary pot (deep).  I kept killing off the potted ones I brought in for the winter until I used the deep pot.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 04:06:42 PM »
I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for the info!
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