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Re: FIVE COMMON MISTAKES IN PREPARATIONS
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 04:39:56 PM »
The Amish have it made in some ways. For now. But they won't for long.  They are avowed pacifists and everything they have will be taken within the first few weeks of a real SHTF scenario.  And they won't lift a finger to protect it or themselves.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 07:41:35 PM »
I found a pot-belly stove on Craigslist yesterday!  Had to drive 2 hrs each way to get it, but I now have back-up heat and cooking! 

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Re: FIVE COMMON MISTAKES IN PREPARATIONS
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2009, 04:38:33 AM »
Good show, B-Lue.  :eatdrink004:
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Re: FIVE COMMON MISTAKES IN PREPARATIONS
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 04:14:07 PM »
oscar615 you are right. They do need to learn to protect themselves but from what they believe, it probably won't happen. To bad. I was just reffering to their way of life off the grid. I think your right they will be a tatget when the SHTF scenairo. The Mormons would seem to be a target to, but I don't know how they feel about protection. Sorry this is kind of the subject.
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Re: FIVE COMMON MISTAKES IN PREPARATIONS
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 07:14:04 PM »
oscar615 you are right. They do need to learn to protect themselves but from what they believe, it probably won't happen. To bad. I was just reffering to their way of life off the grid. I think your right they will be a tatget when the SHTF scenairo. They Mormons would seem to be a target to, but I don't know how they feel about protection. Sorry this is kind of the subject.

The Mormons are all about self-defense.  That was the start of Browning Arms (original workshop in Nauvoo, IL) and they fought a pretty good "quasi-war" with the Carthage Blueboys (Hancock County Militia) during the 1820/30s.  When they retreated to Utah, they set up an army and during the 1850s almost went to war with the US Army.  They had a group called the Destroying Angels, who would seek out those who had harmed Mormons and kill them. 

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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 07:42:13 PM »
So appears that they would protect their food and family with force if need be?

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 09:03:53 PM »
So appears that they would protect their food and family with force if need be?

All I can tell you is that if it wasn't for that whole believing in god routine, I'd be a Mormon.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 09:33:48 PM »
I have a friend who had a couple of Mormon show up at his door one day. He let them in and they talked. Eventually he was able to wring it out of them that they do indeed have a "secret doctorine" that tells members to maintain arms and be ready to use them to defend themselves.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 10:06:00 PM »
Yes I think they would fight.  But they do not believe in the God of the Bible.  They have had "extra" revelation,  which puts them outside of Christianity.
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 10:11:12 PM »
Agree, Joseph Smith was their founder and appear to take more importance then Jesus Christ or the bible. They came to my door to. I invited them to my church and then they all sudden had to go.

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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 10:49:28 PM »
I have a friend who had a couple of Mormon show up at his door one day. He let them in and they talked. Eventually he was able to wring it out of them that they do indeed have a "secret doctorine" that tells members to maintain arms and be ready to use them to defend themselves.

I grew up in a Mormon area, and while most of them weren't what we would call "gun nuts" (like I am), they were all familiar with firearms, primarily of the non-military variety.  However, keep in mind that this was back in the days when every house had a rifle rack/cabinet in the front room with a half dozen or so rifles/shotguns.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2009, 04:20:30 AM »
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But they do not believe in the God of the Bible.  They have had "extra" revelation,  which puts them outside of Christianity.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Now let's see, that book that the Mormon's derive their doctorines from is entitled "Another Gospel of Jesus Christ"...hmmmm. :think005:

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2009, 08:12:00 AM »
I don't think you want to spend a lot of time too closely investigating Mormonism as a religion.  It doesn't have the advantage of time that most religions do.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2009, 07:11:13 PM »
 What does this have to do with mistakes in preparation?

  
Now let's see, that book that the Mormon's derive their doctorines from is entitled "Another Gospel of Jesus Christ"...hmmmm.

That is "Another TESTAMENT of Jesus Christ". When stating supporting information for your opinions please, be factual. Personally I find the inaccuracies introduced into this thread both irrelevant and disturbing. This has the hallmarks of a typical "I know someone who said they heard..." line of argument that is common among those who believe that the word "Christianity"applies only to fundamentalist Protestants (as well as among others). If I want to know about America, I don't ask a Russian Communist who grew up in the '50s. If I want to know about a Roman Catholic's beliefs I ask a Roman Catholic.

 They have had "extra" revelation, which puts them outside of Christianity.

   That would be the Nicene Creed, not Christianity. Most of the Christian churches teach that the Cannon is closed, the Heavens are sealed and God no longer talks to His children through revelation, and that there are no more prophets on the Earth. This is specifically denied by the L.D.S. church. Fortunately the only definition of Christianity that matters is the one used by Christ Himself, He will know his own. (And in my opinion it is silly to fight each other over "God loves me best".)
   The comment that asserts the acceptance of "extra" revelation, however, is quite accurate. It is the logically flawed conclusion being stated as a fact that is of concern.
   Also, although this was not part of the thread, The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ is recognized as scripture in addition to the Bible, not instead of it.

 Eventually he was able to wring it out of them that they do indeed have a "secret doctorine" that tells members to maintain arms and be ready to use them to defend themselves.
   I seriously doubt that anyone had to "WRING" anything out of a missionary of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They volunteer two years of their life to serve at their own expense for the express purpose of talking to people who want to hear about the church. That is what they do. (There is the fact that they like to stay on topic when discussing the beliefs and doctrine of the church.)
   Just for the sake of accuracy; there is no SECRET DOCTRINE to have arms and be ready to use them. This is an individual decision, much like being a Liberal or a Conservative. There are some strong CULTURAL trends in the church population on many issues but that is different from doctrine. There is a doctrinal principle to be self-sufficient to decrease the drain on others and be able to help in times of crisis. For some this means guns, for others it does not. This is not a secret, it is basic doctrine.
  
The Mormons are all about self-defense.
   I am not sure what to make of this statement- it may be what I see commonly used as a modern locution and simply used as reinforcing-emphasis short of hyperbole, not intended as a limiting statement. If not I will say this; self defense (and defense of family, friends, community, and country) is certainly recognized as valid activity. All about- not so much. More like a necessary but minor component of a total lifestyle; something to allow the continuation of primary purposes, just like food storage, financial stability, and preparedness in general.
 
   I don't post much because I don't have much to contribute that is not covered better by regular posters but this sounds like a start on recreational ridicule and doesn't seem to advance the purpose of sharing preparedness information.
   I am kind of curious how we got onto this from a thread about mistakes in preparation.

     Grateful we can disagree on some things and yet agree on so much else.

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Re: FIVE COMMON MISTAKES IN PREPARATIONS
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2009, 09:06:24 PM »

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Grateful we can disagree on some things and yet agree on so much else.

Thank you for being a good sport, Gratefully.

Gentlemen, can we patch things up and move on to a friendly discussion, OK?  :hug006: How about asking Gratefully about Mormon preparedness traditions. I don't know a lot about them, but I do know that Mormons I have known frequently talk about a year's worth of food supplies. As a result, a lot of the merchants for home food rotation systems seem to be Mormon.


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