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Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« on: January 31, 2009, 11:48:13 AM »
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41224/113/

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Munich (Germany) – Solar cells remains one of the most fascinating and promising research areas these days. Scientists at the German Fraunhofer Institute of Solar Energy Systems (ISE) recently announced that they've developed a solar cell capable of providing 41.1% efficiency, which is the highest level achieved to date. They are now working to make the technology commercially available.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 03:41:02 PM »
I hope there is some substance to this pr.  Last summer there was an similar article in Science Magazine about some product being developed in California.  I have't heard anything about that one in the regular media or since.

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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 05:45:14 PM »
Yeah, I know, that's why I never get too excited. I just post anything interesting in the area of alternative energy, and let you decide.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 09:33:53 PM »
If I'm not mistaken Fraunhofer are the folks who gave us the mp3 format. Everyone who even can code/decode (Codec) that format has to give them some money. Maybe they put it too good use :laughing002:

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 10:46:35 PM »
It would be great if they can get that efficiancy.  The cells would be expensive at first no doubt.  But in the long run it would make everything solar cell related much cheaper and more in the realm of ordinary people.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 11:47:15 AM »
Well, we're running out of time (ironically, Germany sits at a high enough latitude that back home they will not benefit as much as those in places like Australia, Africa, Latin America, etc).

If they could mass-market more efficient solar cells, then if they have a long enough life expectancy and not too much needed maintenance, I would not mind bringing one with me.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 10:59:13 AM »
what is the solar efficiency of a rainforest?
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 01:14:11 AM »
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what is the solar efficiency of a rainforest?

I don't know, but for individual plants, it's estimated between .2 to 6%.

However, the rainforest is self-repairing and self-perpetuating (subject to climate change and other hazards...).

The relatively more efficient photosynthesis, at least at higher heat and light levels, is called C4. A lot of the grasses do this, as does Amaranth.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 08:19:06 PM »
the thing is that the rainforest is just plain covers 100% of the territory at a very low efficiency of solar conversion to chemical energy

but solar cells cover a tiny percentage of area for a much greatly improved efficiency of solar conversion to electrical energy
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 08:33:21 PM »
does anyone here grow and eat amaranth?  I was warned to never eat the seed but just came to know the leaves are edible....also I have read that cassava is one of the most efficient solar collectors in nature....(watch the cyanide!)
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 11:29:00 PM »
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(watch the cyanide!)

Just make sure you PEEL IT (most of the cyanoglycosides hide right under the skin), and cook it properly.

I know you are interested in African heritage, so if ever you make cassava-based fufu, don't sit next to the oven sucking the fumes! That's how West African women end up with chronic low-level cyanide poisoning. The kind they like just happens to be the more potent variety; "sweet" cassavas have less. Not sure but I think they might be preparing it for a living, and inhaling the vapors too much too long.

We were making Cassava-cakes one day, and my daughter thought it looked good, so she popped a raw piece in her mouth without thinking about it. Then someone woke up and said, "hey, isn't raw Cassava poisonous?"

Well, I think we over-reacted; it takes about 2 tubers of the more potent kind to kill an adult (the Amerinds in northeastern South America used to commit suicide by eating the stuff raw), but she was near panic and I was worried because I wasn't quite clear on just what the poison was at the time, so she got the ipcac syrup and that took care of that. Never did that again.

Every once in a while you will hear rumors about Cassava poisoning, but they usually turn out to be something else. For example, there was a hysteria in the Philipines when numerous kids got sick and some died eating food from the street vendors. One poor vendor was harassed and threatened, and she insisted that her Cassava was safe. Well, it was. What happened was that an old man got confused and was using bug powder instead of flour in something that he was preparing.

In some countries they eat the leaves. Now, the leaves are more potent than the tubers!! I think they would probably be a highly nutritious green, other than the cyanoglycocide (which turns to cyanide in your stomach acid...). So, those need to be cooked thoroughly, and the cooking fumes need to be avoided.

The tubers are lousy nutrition other than supplying starch--and almost nothing else! Some tribes get Kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) eating too much Cassava. However, there is a reason it is so popular: in countries without refrigeration, it is a staple that keeps in the field even in the tropics. You can harvest it as needed; it doesn't turn woody. And it also happens to be fairly drought-resistant, and tolerant of poor soil.

I had one of its cousins from Argentina in my yard; looks almost identical (apparently they are all closely-related). Beautiful plants with interestingly lobed leaves.

Oh, just for clarification for other readers: it's "Cassava" in some countries, "Tapioca" in some countries (especially when refined down into "pearls"--which doesn't take much processing as it is already close to pure starch), "Manioc" in some countries, and "Yuca" in some countries--but "Yuca" could be something completely different. The swollen bases of Manihot esculenta, which is sort of a bushy tropical shrub/small tree found over much of South America cultivated, feral, and wild.

Just to confuse matters, it is often confused in some countries with Sago aka "Sagu", which is a vaguely similar starch, also often processed down into "pearls", eaten in tropical Asia. Sago comes from the trunk of a type of Palm tree, Metroxylon sagu. However, the plants commonly sold as "Sago Palms" are not actually Palms (they are Cyads, not even vaguely related), and they are not the source of Sago. Sago is softer and mealier than Tapioca. Some of you have probably had a dessert consisting of Sago in coconut milk; it is a fairly common dessert in tropical Asia.

Chaya is a member of the same family and has the same problem with cyanoglycocides, but apparently the concentration is much lower; some people eat the leaves of some types (not all guaranteed to be of the same level of toxicity!) raw. Not recommended. But even so, it appears that fairly quick cooking--about 5 minutes--will do the trick.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 08:23:26 PM »
I did not grow up processing cassava so I don't mess with it at all.  I've seen the cooking conditions folks use to cook it daily and, low level poisoning is no surprise.  Oddly, the leave are far more popular in the countries I've visited, bordering on a staple.  Until I read your post, i was thinking the root only had the cyanide.  As an aside, there are but a handful of vendors who supply is the the most useful forms of the supplement B12 come as non-cyanide based.  99.9% you find on the market are cyancobalamin based.  Strange but true.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 09:31:24 PM »
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I did not grow up processing cassava so I don't mess with it at all.

It is perfectly safe. I did it right the first time, without poisoning anybody. Just peel it and cook it. Most of the cyanoglycoside (I have no idea how to spell that word--guessing...) is just under the skin, so peeling it gets rid of most of it. Cooking gets rid of the rest. There are two different cultivars; one is called "sweet", and it is less potent. That's probably the one you would use the most of anyway.

I'm glad you read my post and realized that the leaves are loaded with the stuff. So is just under the skin of the trunk and branches.

I was surprised to find this:

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Different from utilization of fresh cassava tubers as feed where the farmers prefer to use sweet variety cassava tubers, there is no farmers’ preference for cassava leaf varieties as feed for their livestock. But to reduce the risk of poisonous effects on livestock from the bitter cassava leaf variety, the farmers wilt the cassava leaves for a few hours prior to feeding to livestock especially for the first times of feeding.

I would be very nervous to feed my livestock cassava leaves having done nothing to deal with the cyanoglycosides other than wilting the leaves! I'm pretty sure cyanide is deadly to most mammals.

Here is an explanation in significantly more depth:

http://thakshana.nsf.ac.lk/pdf/JNSF26-34/JNSF32_1&2/JNSF%2032_1&2_61.pdf

The protein content of the leaves is ridiculously high for a plant. Several sources put it at 25% which is higher than its cousin Chaya. And it's probably good complete protein too. But that would be young leaves, not old ones, which are mostly what are harvested, at the same time that the roots are harvested.

I think that the more potent Cassava could be a good one for your "thieves' garden", AFTER WARNING NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN. Most likely what would happen, if they didn't know what they were doing, would be mild poisoning, although I am hitting references to children in Africa dying of Cassava-leaf poisoning. Several references indicate that it is not widely realized in Africa that the leaves are poisonous. They probably unconsciously do things that inactivate the poison (such as drying it for silage), but sometimes get poisoned trying to eat them raw.

Here is another reference:

http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/LSTOCK/001/LSFeed/FB46UE/B109_6.HTM

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140. By simple drying of the leaves in the sun, you can eliminate most of the cyanide present in cassava leaves.

141. You have to chop and wilt the leaves before drying in the sun.

142. While wilting, you must regularly turn the leaves over. Otherwise fermentation may occur and spoilage may start.

143. After wilting, the chopped leaves must be uniformly spread over a drying area. They will dry quickly.

144. Once well dried, they can be collected and ground into a meal. Meal can be stored in bags or gunny sacks.

145. Dried cassava leaves and cassava leaf meal have excellent storage qualities. Insects and moulds will not attack them. They can be kept in dry places for over a year and used when necessary.

That makes more sense, than just "wilting" the leaves!

One other crop that is very popular in Africa--and yet even I can grow it at my northerly latitude!--is some sort of native Nightshade.

Probably native to the highlands as it is perfectly tolerant of cool weather. It is much easier to grow than a tomato. It looks just like a very typical "deadly" Nightshade--so-called despite the fact that most Nightshades are more likely to make you sick than to actually kill you--but the fruit of this one is perfectly edible once ripe.

A lot of folks are afraid to touch them and horrified that I grow and eat them. I only eat the berries, ever. But in Africa they eat the greens! Now that is startling even to me.
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Re: Fraunhofer claims record solar cell efficiency
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2009, 10:10:38 AM »
I'll leave it alone for now. 

some sort of native Nightshade.

What sort?  I do have some eggplant, not the one found in most north american and british supermarkets but the original one.  It had quite a storied past in Europe once "discovered" but somehow the version most are familiar with took on the name and the native plant remains largely...native.  It is said to be quite prolific at producing little egg shaped fruits.  COmes in various colours but I only have white right now.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2009, 11:26:41 AM »
Ha! I wonder if that is the "easter-egg plant", Solanum ovigerum. Rarely grown much anymore except as a novelty. I have often wondered if the fruit was edible. Most websites say "no", some say "yes", and a few say "technically edible but bitter". Supposed to be much more easily grown than S. melongena...some folks say "weedy".

Also related to "Impwa", the Ethiopian eggplant, S. aethiopica.

I have no idea what the correct botanical name is for my edible Nightshades. One of them is a stabilized hybrid between two African species; the guy who hybridized it, Luther Burbank, called it a "Sunberry", which is a bad name for a berry that is close to ink black in color. It is prolific and essentially weedy. It has fairly large, dull black-purple berries, that are slightly sweet, and mild in flavor. They can be used as mock blueberries in climates where real blueberries won't grow.

The other one is probably a native of the Americas, quite closely related to the other one and I think they have actually self-hybridized in my yard, with smaller, glossy fruit, and fairly attractive foliage with wavy margins. It is easier to pick than the other one because the fruit shows up closer to the ends of branches, instead of getting hidden under the foliage. It does not seem to be quite as weedy as the other one.

They both grow weirdly well in Seattle's cool climate. Cool rainy weather does not seem to bother them at all, unlike many of their relatives that die of disease. They even tolerate mild frost. They must be natives of tropical highland as they don't seem to require tropical temperatures at all. Seem to actually like cooler temps.

People in Africa eat one or both of these as a pot herb, but I am not sure which one, and in any case I am unwilling to try either one as they are both very obviously Nightshades! I have no idea why anyone would want to anyway; I can think of more likely pot herbs. The fruit is perfectly safe, though, at least once fully ripe, and I am not afraid to eat that, although it freaks out a lot of visitors to my garden.

I wonder if Bermuda is cool enough to grow Pepinos? A beautiful Nightshade, Solanum muricatum. They grow definitely cool (from the tropical Andes)--but here is the catch: they are rather intolerant of frost as they are of excessive heat. They want to be cool and comfortable all year round; no severe temps. The fruit is vaguely "melon-like".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepino

Definitely a rather attractive plant, as Nightshades go.
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